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	<title>Comments on: Miller&#8217;s Crossing</title>
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		<title>By: kinn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Coens very much know that Tom has a heart, and they show us with that hat. Tom loves Leo but can&#039;t tell him. Tom feels wronged by him at the beginning of the film and does everything he can throughout the film to set it up so that Leo will see how much he missed Tom, needed him. Yet at the end, Leo goes away with another, and Tom yanks that hat down firmly. His dream of losing his hat was his fear of actually baring his heart to Leo (and the world). As tough as Tom is, he&#039;s a scared man inside.

It&#039;s a beautiful film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Coens very much know that Tom has a heart, and they show us with that hat. Tom loves Leo but can&#8217;t tell him. Tom feels wronged by him at the beginning of the film and does everything he can throughout the film to set it up so that Leo will see how much he missed Tom, needed him. Yet at the end, Leo goes away with another, and Tom yanks that hat down firmly. His dream of losing his hat was his fear of actually baring his heart to Leo (and the world). As tough as Tom is, he&#8217;s a scared man inside.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a beautiful film.</p>
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		<title>By: ItsaIrishthang</title>
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		<dc:creator>ItsaIrishthang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigmund Freud had trouble understanding the Irish, because of the way they express their humanity, and so do the Coens, but they have figured out some of it.  

You hide your emotions (under your hat) and everytime Tom loses his (cool and emotional control) it, the hat flies off. Slick, but they still will have issues with loyalty, which the Celtic people have plenty and how they express it and their deep emotions.  

Tom knows Verna, and he knows Leo, he want&#039;s them both in a way and without hurting either one of them, and that is his game.  Yet he knows Verna is &quot;damaged goods&quot; and her loyalty is to her brother and he knows Leo&#039;s loyalty to Verna and so he knows what he must do to protect his old friend Leo.  Give up the girl and put himself in danger to protect him.

All of the characters are ethical to a degree with different levels of loyalty.  Yet in the end, Tom is the one with the most heart by ending his friendship with Leo for the sake of all envolved.

A great complex film and the concept of loyalty and love in human relationships.  The film is also to me about Tom, who moves from logic to his ability to rely on his &quot;gut&quot; for the best solution to a problem, that is Celtic all the way.

Ah Freud, you will never figure us out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigmund Freud had trouble understanding the Irish, because of the way they express their humanity, and so do the Coens, but they have figured out some of it.  </p>
<p>You hide your emotions (under your hat) and everytime Tom loses his (cool and emotional control) it, the hat flies off. Slick, but they still will have issues with loyalty, which the Celtic people have plenty and how they express it and their deep emotions.  </p>
<p>Tom knows Verna, and he knows Leo, he want&#8217;s them both in a way and without hurting either one of them, and that is his game.  Yet he knows Verna is &#8220;damaged goods&#8221; and her loyalty is to her brother and he knows Leo&#8217;s loyalty to Verna and so he knows what he must do to protect his old friend Leo.  Give up the girl and put himself in danger to protect him.</p>
<p>All of the characters are ethical to a degree with different levels of loyalty.  Yet in the end, Tom is the one with the most heart by ending his friendship with Leo for the sake of all envolved.</p>
<p>A great complex film and the concept of loyalty and love in human relationships.  The film is also to me about Tom, who moves from logic to his ability to rely on his &#8220;gut&#8221; for the best solution to a problem, that is Celtic all the way.</p>
<p>Ah Freud, you will never figure us out.</p>
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		<title>By: toeffurr</title>
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		<dc:creator>toeffurr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“There isn&#039;t any symbolism. The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man. The boy is a boy and the fish is a fish. The shark are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is shit. What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know.”  Ernest Hemingway.

I really believe the Coen&#039;s put things like the hat, the rug, the wallpaper etc in movies so they can sit back and watch people make things more than they are.  It&#039;s the man on the grassy gnoll and the lunar landing...we just want there to be more to it than what appears to be.

It&#039;s a hat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There isn&#8217;t any symbolism. The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man. The boy is a boy and the fish is a fish. The shark are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is shit. What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know.”  Ernest Hemingway.</p>
<p>I really believe the Coen&#8217;s put things like the hat, the rug, the wallpaper etc in movies so they can sit back and watch people make things more than they are.  It&#8217;s the man on the grassy gnoll and the lunar landing&#8230;we just want there to be more to it than what appears to be.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hat.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for visiting, Seamus. That&#039;s actually a great observation on the hat - it might be the best one that I&#039;ve heard so far, and certainly more interesting than my assertion that it was included for &quot;ambiguity&#039;s sake.&quot; It definitely works in the context of Reagan&#039;s character. 

Hmmmm. I&#039;ll have to think on that a bit more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for visiting, Seamus. That&#8217;s actually a great observation on the hat &#8211; it might be the best one that I&#8217;ve heard so far, and certainly more interesting than my assertion that it was included for &#8220;ambiguity&#8217;s sake.&#8221; It definitely works in the context of Reagan&#8217;s character. </p>
<p>Hmmmm. I&#8217;ll have to think on that a bit more.</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys.  I just saw &#039;Miller&#039;s Crossing&#039; and was so intrigued by the elusive metaphor of the hat, which to me is clearly intentional and significant, that I googled &#039;hat metaphor&#039;!  Interesting to hear others&#039; thoughts, but here&#039;s my take.  the film starts with Jasper&#039;s explanation of the importance of ethics.  Like many works of art, the opening gives a frame of reference through which the rest of the film can be understood: the striving for (or disregard of) a set of ethics is the most crucial factor in the characterisation of all the characters, but especially Regan.  So I took the hat to be a symbol of integrity.  To give someone the high hat is to be disrespectful; when Regan comes close to killing Bernie at Miller&#039;s Crossing he almost loses his hat; when he has first cheated with Verna and betrayed Leo he lost his hat temorarily; and in the film&#039; conclusion, when Regan opts to part ways with Leo, Regan magnificently lowers his hat and covers his brimming eyes, hinting at his strength of will in maintaining this integrity in the face of deep personal pain.  So to me the hat was a metaphor for the different forms of integrity and different codes of ethics that different characters displayed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys.  I just saw &#8216;Miller&#8217;s Crossing&#8217; and was so intrigued by the elusive metaphor of the hat, which to me is clearly intentional and significant, that I googled &#8216;hat metaphor&#8217;!  Interesting to hear others&#8217; thoughts, but here&#8217;s my take.  the film starts with Jasper&#8217;s explanation of the importance of ethics.  Like many works of art, the opening gives a frame of reference through which the rest of the film can be understood: the striving for (or disregard of) a set of ethics is the most crucial factor in the characterisation of all the characters, but especially Regan.  So I took the hat to be a symbol of integrity.  To give someone the high hat is to be disrespectful; when Regan comes close to killing Bernie at Miller&#8217;s Crossing he almost loses his hat; when he has first cheated with Verna and betrayed Leo he lost his hat temorarily; and in the film&#8217; conclusion, when Regan opts to part ways with Leo, Regan magnificently lowers his hat and covers his brimming eyes, hinting at his strength of will in maintaining this integrity in the face of deep personal pain.  So to me the hat was a metaphor for the different forms of integrity and different codes of ethics that different characters displayed.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/millers-crossing/comment-page-1/#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to have your voice at MZ, Hallsy. 

One of the Coens greatest strengths is their ability to straddle the fence when it comes to tone and mood. Some see nihilism, some see humor. I saw ambiguous symbolism, you saw a simple hat. More than any other filmmaker working today, multiple interpretations of their work seem equally valid. 

Agreed with you on the music. Carter Burwell and the Coens mix like Kahlua and milk - perfectly. 

Great comments. Hope you drop your two cents in the hat more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to have your voice at MZ, Hallsy. </p>
<p>One of the Coens greatest strengths is their ability to straddle the fence when it comes to tone and mood. Some see nihilism, some see humor. I saw ambiguous symbolism, you saw a simple hat. More than any other filmmaker working today, multiple interpretations of their work seem equally valid. </p>
<p>Agreed with you on the music. Carter Burwell and the Coens mix like Kahlua and milk &#8211; perfectly. </p>
<p>Great comments. Hope you drop your two cents in the hat more often.</p>
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		<title>By: HallsyHatesU</title>
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		<dc:creator>HallsyHatesU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think Miller&#039;s Crossing is one of the funniest movies the Coens have done; the humour just is not as obvious. The dialog is incredible. I have so many favourite lines but if I had to choose I would say: &quot;I told him you&#039;re a tramp and he dump ya.&quot;

I love the scene where Tom beans the hood with a chair, prompting the little old guy to come in and kick his ass. Every scene with Jon Polito is gold, too.

I don&#039;t think the hat was a major theme in the story. I think you might be trying to overanalyze a little bit. The hat is just a hat. Watch the scene again where Marcia Gay Harden jumps to conclusions about the dream - &quot;No I didn&#039;t chase after it. There&#039;s nothing more foolish than a man chasing after a hat.&quot; Or something like that. 

The music is really top-notch. In particular, the scene where they shoot up Leo&#039;s bedroom and the scene where they take Tom out to Miller&#039;s Crossing.

Minor spoiler:

Rug (the guy with the toupee) was killed by Mink (Steve Buscemi). I think that was explained pretty explicitly in the film. It can certainly be confusing on the first viewing, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think Miller&#8217;s Crossing is one of the funniest movies the Coens have done; the humour just is not as obvious. The dialog is incredible. I have so many favourite lines but if I had to choose I would say: &#8220;I told him you&#8217;re a tramp and he dump ya.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love the scene where Tom beans the hood with a chair, prompting the little old guy to come in and kick his ass. Every scene with Jon Polito is gold, too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the hat was a major theme in the story. I think you might be trying to overanalyze a little bit. The hat is just a hat. Watch the scene again where Marcia Gay Harden jumps to conclusions about the dream &#8211; &#8220;No I didn&#8217;t chase after it. There&#8217;s nothing more foolish than a man chasing after a hat.&#8221; Or something like that. </p>
<p>The music is really top-notch. In particular, the scene where they shoot up Leo&#8217;s bedroom and the scene where they take Tom out to Miller&#8217;s Crossing.</p>
<p>Minor spoiler:</p>
<p>Rug (the guy with the toupee) was killed by Mink (Steve Buscemi). I think that was explained pretty explicitly in the film. It can certainly be confusing on the first viewing, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Coosa Creek Times, 4-7-2008 &#124; Coosa Creek Mambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coosa Creek Times, 4-7-2008 &#124; Coosa Creek Mambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I couldn&#8217;t agree more. (this just in &#8230; another Coen review, this time of Miller&#8217;s Crossing, which I think is right up there with Goodfellas, here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I couldn&#8217;t agree more. (this just in &#8230; another Coen review, this time of Miller&#8217;s Crossing, which I think is right up there with Goodfellas, here). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe this is my favorite gangster film.  I love the lazy pace, the recurring visual themes, Carter Burwell&#039;s score ... it all meshes together so nicely.  Indeed, it is a hard film to analyze.  The Coens know that, though.  I love that last shot of Gabriel Byrne by the tree.  It&#039;s almost like he&#039;s telling us that we&#039;ll never get inside his head.  We&#039;ll never understand him because he doesn&#039;t quite understand himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe this is my favorite gangster film.  I love the lazy pace, the recurring visual themes, Carter Burwell&#8217;s score &#8230; it all meshes together so nicely.  Indeed, it is a hard film to analyze.  The Coens know that, though.  I love that last shot of Gabriel Byrne by the tree.  It&#8217;s almost like he&#8217;s telling us that we&#8217;ll never get inside his head.  We&#8217;ll never understand him because he doesn&#8217;t quite understand himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Thrifting and the Coens &#124; thimbly things</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thrifting and the Coens &#124; thimbly things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] notice similar themes, camera angles, and even a splash of their Coen humor.  But when we got to Miller&#8217;s Crossing and Barton Fink, I was pretty disappointed.  But like I said, maybe if I watch them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] notice similar themes, camera angles, and even a splash of their Coen humor.  But when we got to Miller&#8217;s Crossing and Barton Fink, I was pretty disappointed.  But like I said, maybe if I watch them [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kristena</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Tom has a deep love for Leo that controls him in a bizarre way.  

At the same time, there&#039;s something very existential about him.  Very much like Albert Camus&#039; The Stranger (L&#039;homme Absurde).  He just does whatever strikes him in the moment.  Which is kind of what Chuck is saying.

Is it possible for him to be both controlled by his feelings and disconnected by them at the same time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tom has a deep love for Leo that controls him in a bizarre way.  </p>
<p>At the same time, there&#8217;s something very existential about him.  Very much like Albert Camus&#8217; The Stranger (L&#8217;homme Absurde).  He just does whatever strikes him in the moment.  Which is kind of what Chuck is saying.</p>
<p>Is it possible for him to be both controlled by his feelings and disconnected by them at the same time?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Chuck, I&#039;ve been reading a lot of other people&#039;s thoughts on the film and they are saying much the same, that it did move them deeply. I&#039;m not one to die on the beachhead I&#039;ve staked my opinions on, so perhaps &lt;i&gt;Crossing&lt;/i&gt; deserves a second look down the road. The chance to sort through some of the dense material again would be welcomed, at the very least (I&#039;m still trying to figure out who knocked off the guy with the toupee at the beginning...any thoughts out there?). 

I think you&#039;re right about the hat - it represents the fickle uncertainty of Tom&#039;s character which, in a way, is almost the same thing as saying it exists for ambiguity&#039;s sake. 

Thanks for your thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Chuck, I&#8217;ve been reading a lot of other people&#8217;s thoughts on the film and they are saying much the same, that it did move them deeply. I&#8217;m not one to die on the beachhead I&#8217;ve staked my opinions on, so perhaps <i>Crossing</i> deserves a second look down the road. The chance to sort through some of the dense material again would be welcomed, at the very least (I&#8217;m still trying to figure out who knocked off the guy with the toupee at the beginning&#8230;any thoughts out there?). </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right about the hat &#8211; it represents the fickle uncertainty of Tom&#8217;s character which, in a way, is almost the same thing as saying it exists for ambiguity&#8217;s sake. </p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful work here, though I didn&#039;t quite see the film as you did Evan. I feel that the answer of Tom&#039;s intentions is mysterious even to Tom himself (which you say) and that is, really, enough for me. Tom is a purposeful cipher, who may do things if for nothing else than to see if said things will raise his pulse a notch. He screws his boss&#039;s woman, then tells him. He goes back and forth amongst Casper and Leo&#039;s gangs, he spares Bernie, and he wouldn&#039;t be able to tell you why he did any of those things (though there&#039;s, the girl be damned, an honor about him). That is the meaning of the oft mentioned hat: the elusive something that never comes into focus. I found the film to have a heart, and to be extremely moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful work here, though I didn&#8217;t quite see the film as you did Evan. I feel that the answer of Tom&#8217;s intentions is mysterious even to Tom himself (which you say) and that is, really, enough for me. Tom is a purposeful cipher, who may do things if for nothing else than to see if said things will raise his pulse a notch. He screws his boss&#8217;s woman, then tells him. He goes back and forth amongst Casper and Leo&#8217;s gangs, he spares Bernie, and he wouldn&#8217;t be able to tell you why he did any of those things (though there&#8217;s, the girl be damned, an honor about him). That is the meaning of the oft mentioned hat: the elusive something that never comes into focus. I found the film to have a heart, and to be extremely moving.</p>
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		<title>By: kristena</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Coens are serious, they make me deeply uncomfortable.  Add an overdose of pretension to that, and I&#039;m done.  

Honestly, we could sit all day and discuss what that blessed hat means, but I feel like the Coens would snicker behind our backs if they knew.  And that&#039;s just irritating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Coens are serious, they make me deeply uncomfortable.  Add an overdose of pretension to that, and I&#8217;m done.  </p>
<p>Honestly, we could sit all day and discuss what that blessed hat means, but I feel like the Coens would snicker behind our backs if they knew.  And that&#8217;s just irritating.</p>
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