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	<title>Comments on: Mildred Pierce</title>
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		<title>By: Allan Fish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, after dissing G&#039;s efforts on his Night of the Hunter piece I went looking for earlier contributions and I have to say I agree with much of what he says here in this excellent piece.  On the MZ scale it would be ****½ with me, but I can&#039;t argue with five and he makes some excellent points.  His NOTH piece is just a blip.  Phew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, after dissing G&#8217;s efforts on his Night of the Hunter piece I went looking for earlier contributions and I have to say I agree with much of what he says here in this excellent piece.  On the MZ scale it would be ****½ with me, but I can&#8217;t argue with five and he makes some excellent points.  His NOTH piece is just a blip.  Phew!</p>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/mildred-pierce/comment-page-1/#comment-7697</link>
		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of appearing tendentious G, here the glamorous mink is more a wealth motif than a femme-fatale prop.  Though I do concede that the mink coat resonates symbolically in noir as the yearning for wealth and ease, and its achievement, for many femme-fatales.

Suicide as a free act to my mind requires a deep capacity for self-criticism and a state of profound existential angst, both of which are beyond the femme-fatale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of appearing tendentious G, here the glamorous mink is more a wealth motif than a femme-fatale prop.  Though I do concede that the mink coat resonates symbolically in noir as the yearning for wealth and ease, and its achievement, for many femme-fatales.</p>
<p>Suicide as a free act to my mind requires a deep capacity for self-criticism and a state of profound existential angst, both of which are beyond the femme-fatale.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Films, I agree with you that she doesn&#039;t act like a femme fatale, after that first sequence.  But I would say that the tension in the story comes from wondering how and why a decent and hard-working woman comes to be a femme fatale.  It&#039;s not just the murder or even her behavior, it&#039;s also that glorious, glamorous coat.  She doesn&#039;t behave like a fatale in the flashbacks, but you know/believe that she will end up one.

As to the suicide attempt, that didn&#039;t bother me, and I certainly don&#039;t believe there&#039;s some hard and fast rule that says you&#039;re disqualified as a femme fatale if you attempt suicide when not physically cornered.  I don&#039;t think it makes sense to have such a specific requirement for a remarkably supple and enduring typological figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Films, I agree with you that she doesn&#8217;t act like a femme fatale, after that first sequence.  But I would say that the tension in the story comes from wondering how and why a decent and hard-working woman comes to be a femme fatale.  It&#8217;s not just the murder or even her behavior, it&#8217;s also that glorious, glamorous coat.  She doesn&#8217;t behave like a fatale in the flashbacks, but you know/believe that she will end up one.</p>
<p>As to the suicide attempt, that didn&#8217;t bother me, and I certainly don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s some hard and fast rule that says you&#8217;re disqualified as a femme fatale if you attempt suicide when not physically cornered.  I don&#8217;t think it makes sense to have such a specific requirement for a remarkably supple and enduring typological figure.</p>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/mildred-pierce/comment-page-1/#comment-7551</link>
		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 02:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G, I suppose it would have been better if you had not referred to her as a femme-fatale in the review...

Mildred doesn&#039;t behave as a femme-fatale for 106 minutes, and it is debatable if she ever does. Part of the tension in the story is wanting to know how and why a decent and hard-working woman comes to be implicated in a murder and behave as she does in the first 10 minutes. Let&#039;s not forget, she attempts suicide in that opening sequence, something femme-fatales do only when they are physically cornered and there is no escape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G, I suppose it would have been better if you had not referred to her as a femme-fatale in the review&#8230;</p>
<p>Mildred doesn&#8217;t behave as a femme-fatale for 106 minutes, and it is debatable if she ever does. Part of the tension in the story is wanting to know how and why a decent and hard-working woman comes to be implicated in a murder and behave as she does in the first 10 minutes. Let&#8217;s not forget, she attempts suicide in that opening sequence, something femme-fatales do only when they are physically cornered and there is no escape.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/mildred-pierce/comment-page-1/#comment-7411</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well films, I guess the cat is out of the bag now.  No, you&#039;re right, Mildred isn&#039;t a femme fatale at all.  But the film spends its first, I don&#039;t know, 106 minutes trying to convince you that she is, so I wasn&#039;t going to say in my review that she wasn&#039;t a femme fatale - especially since this is a less watched film than something like Maltese Falcon.  But hopefully no one who hasn&#039;t seen the film will read the commments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well films, I guess the cat is out of the bag now.  No, you&#8217;re right, Mildred isn&#8217;t a femme fatale at all.  But the film spends its first, I don&#8217;t know, 106 minutes trying to convince you that she is, so I wasn&#8217;t going to say in my review that she wasn&#8217;t a femme fatale &#8211; especially since this is a less watched film than something like Maltese Falcon.  But hopefully no one who hasn&#8217;t seen the film will read the commments.</p>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sam :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sam <img src='http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Films Noir&quot; that is one terrific third paragraph there!  Superb analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Films Noir&#8221; that is one terrific third paragraph there!  Superb analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nicely rounded review Graham, which rightly extols the superlative beach-house scenes on the night of the murder, and the stunning film noir photography by cinematographer Ernest Haller.

But I can&#039;t agree that Mildred is a femme-fatale. If she tries to make a patsy of the jerk Wally it is as a desperate mother trying save her worthless daughter. If anything it is the amoral scheming Veda who is a budding femme-fatale and the venal Monte an homme-fatale.

Elementally it is story of family tragedy played out against the pursuit of the California dream of wealth and ease through hard-work and ambition destroyed by wastrel conceit and shameless greed, and is as strong an indictment of the moral corrosiveness of wealth and privilege as Hollywood has achieved.

But it is also a story of profound humanity and the worth of simple decency and personal integrity. Mildred makes tragic mistakes and misplaces her trust and love, but she is always true to herself, and in even in her darkest hour towers above the morass of greed and selfishness that would suck her down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nicely rounded review Graham, which rightly extols the superlative beach-house scenes on the night of the murder, and the stunning film noir photography by cinematographer Ernest Haller.</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t agree that Mildred is a femme-fatale. If she tries to make a patsy of the jerk Wally it is as a desperate mother trying save her worthless daughter. If anything it is the amoral scheming Veda who is a budding femme-fatale and the venal Monte an homme-fatale.</p>
<p>Elementally it is story of family tragedy played out against the pursuit of the California dream of wealth and ease through hard-work and ambition destroyed by wastrel conceit and shameless greed, and is as strong an indictment of the moral corrosiveness of wealth and privilege as Hollywood has achieved.</p>
<p>But it is also a story of profound humanity and the worth of simple decency and personal integrity. Mildred makes tragic mistakes and misplaces her trust and love, but she is always true to herself, and in even in her darkest hour towers above the morass of greed and selfishness that would suck her down.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good review, Graham. 

I&#039;ve always enjoyed this film. It&#039;s kind of soapy, but so what? The blending of maternal melodrama (&lt;i&gt;The Old Maid, Stella Dallas, The Great Lie, To Each His Own, The Sin of Madelon Claudet, Imitation of Life&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;That Certain Woman&lt;/i&gt; among others) and noir (no list necessary here) is rich and splendid.

The cinematography of this film is divine. And Michael Curtiz has an extremely impressive filmography when you go after it. Whether we&#039;re discussing his Errol Flynn cycle (the great, great grandfather of the action-adventure is his &lt;i&gt;The Adventures of Robin Hood&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Dodge City&lt;/i&gt; helped create even more &quot;cliches&quot; of the Western) his tremendous noirs (I&#039;m a big fan of another Joan Crawford with him, &lt;i&gt;Flamingo Road&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;The Unsuspected&lt;/i&gt;).

And I agree that Mildred Pierce&#039;s daughter in this is sort of the real femme fatale, haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good review, Graham. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always enjoyed this film. It&#8217;s kind of soapy, but so what? The blending of maternal melodrama (<i>The Old Maid, Stella Dallas, The Great Lie, To Each His Own, The Sin of Madelon Claudet, Imitation of Life</i> and <i>That Certain Woman</i> among others) and noir (no list necessary here) is rich and splendid.</p>
<p>The cinematography of this film is divine. And Michael Curtiz has an extremely impressive filmography when you go after it. Whether we&#8217;re discussing his Errol Flynn cycle (the great, great grandfather of the action-adventure is his <i>The Adventures of Robin Hood</i> and <i>Dodge City</i> helped create even more &#8220;cliches&#8221; of the Western) his tremendous noirs (I&#8217;m a big fan of another Joan Crawford with him, <i>Flamingo Road</i>, and <i>The Unsuspected</i>).</p>
<p>And I agree that Mildred Pierce&#8217;s daughter in this is sort of the real femme fatale, haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, G, indeed.  Arden is exceptional, I had forgotten about here--I need to look at this film again soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, G, indeed.  Arden is exceptional, I had forgotten about here&#8211;I need to look at this film again soon.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Luke: it means a lot to me have my 5 approved by a MovieZeal writer.  Otherwise I was gonna feel guilty about it.

Sam, I can hardly even fathom the one-two punch of Crawford and Blyth in this movie.  Both so strong and weak in such different ways, in classic melodrama tradition.  And as Luke points out, both femme fatales in a way very, very not in keeping with the melodrama.

Plus, I absolutely love Eve Arden as Mildred&#039;s wise-cracking boss then employee then friend.  She&#039;s very good and very funny.  That&#039;s three academy award worthy performances in this movie, all by women.  That didn&#039;t happen much in the Old Hollywood, but is nigh impossible in today&#039;s boys club.  What a treat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Luke: it means a lot to me have my 5 approved by a MovieZeal writer.  Otherwise I was gonna feel guilty about it.</p>
<p>Sam, I can hardly even fathom the one-two punch of Crawford and Blyth in this movie.  Both so strong and weak in such different ways, in classic melodrama tradition.  And as Luke points out, both femme fatales in a way very, very not in keeping with the melodrama.</p>
<p>Plus, I absolutely love Eve Arden as Mildred&#8217;s wise-cracking boss then employee then friend.  She&#8217;s very good and very funny.  That&#8217;s three academy award worthy performances in this movie, all by women.  That didn&#8217;t happen much in the Old Hollywood, but is nigh impossible in today&#8217;s boys club.  What a treat.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s interesting about &lt;i&gt;Pierce&lt;/i&gt; is that Veda herself is something of a femme fatale to her mother. Often in maternal melodramas, the child will never fully understand that sacrifice her mother makes for her sake, but in the case of Veda, she understands, then turns around and spits on it and asks for more -- knowing fully that her mother&#039;s love will compell her to comply.

Call it &quot;chick noir.&quot;

(And I fully agree on the five stars.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting about <i>Pierce</i> is that Veda herself is something of a femme fatale to her mother. Often in maternal melodramas, the child will never fully understand that sacrifice her mother makes for her sake, but in the case of Veda, she understands, then turns around and spits on it and asks for more &#8212; knowing fully that her mother&#8217;s love will compell her to comply.</p>
<p>Call it &#8220;chick noir.&#8221;</p>
<p>(And I fully agree on the five stars.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work there Graham, and I can&#039;t complain about the rating either--this is classic 40&#039;s melodrama, and indeed as you contend a further example of the pre-eminence of director Michael Curtiz, whose catalogue is always undervalued because of CASABLANCA.
   Crawford may have well given her greatest performance here (but Oscar bashers and know-it-alls will always try and choose a lesser-known film) as her tenacity, and to-the-breaking-point loyalty are beautifully conveyed in her mother-at-all-cost demeanor, which is eventually shattered.  It is one of American cinema&#039;s most extraordinary performances by an actress.  As the manipulative, narcissistic elder daughter Veda, Ann Blyth creates a true human Monster in every sense of the word, and her performance is another screen classic.
   Again, a wonderful treatment here, and a worthy inclusion is this terrific film noir series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work there Graham, and I can&#8217;t complain about the rating either&#8211;this is classic 40&#8217;s melodrama, and indeed as you contend a further example of the pre-eminence of director Michael Curtiz, whose catalogue is always undervalued because of CASABLANCA.<br />
   Crawford may have well given her greatest performance here (but Oscar bashers and know-it-alls will always try and choose a lesser-known film) as her tenacity, and to-the-breaking-point loyalty are beautifully conveyed in her mother-at-all-cost demeanor, which is eventually shattered.  It is one of American cinema&#8217;s most extraordinary performances by an actress.  As the manipulative, narcissistic elder daughter Veda, Ann Blyth creates a true human Monster in every sense of the word, and her performance is another screen classic.<br />
   Again, a wonderful treatment here, and a worthy inclusion is this terrific film noir series.</p>
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