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	<description>The official podcast of MovieZeal.com, where film is always best discussed under the gentle influence of fine wine (as fine as $10 will get you). Each week Evan, Heather, and Luke pick a theme, discuss a theatrical release based on that theme, pop the cork and drink a wine that fits said theme, and finally subject one another to The Gauntlet, where forcing others to watch painful films nets you fabulous prizes. There is not anything else on the internets like it (literally).</description>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig &quot;noir pretensions&quot; is intended to be read figuratively...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig &#8220;noir pretensions&#8221; is intended to be read figuratively&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/gun-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-9169</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good review, Joel... I actually prefer Lewis&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Big Combo&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;Gun Crazy&lt;/i&gt;, but I like the rawness of this picture rather well. Peggy Cummins is quite terrific; this is one case where I think &quot;softening&quot; her works in the film&#039;s favor, as she&#039;s portrayed as someone who almost can&#039;t control herself. I think that speaks to the thematic current of the film: John Dall&#039;s character controls himself to the point of finding himself unable to do what the woman of his dreams wants him to, and then finally when he has to, he kills her, making the ultimate choice of the film.

Seeing this with a huge crowd at the Castro is something of a treat. There are a lot of howler-worthy lines, both great and kind of overbaked, but it all sort of works in the film&#039;s favor. Lewis later said he knew he was making a messy, somewhat unsightly melodrama. I like how he said he had the two leads act like a couple of dogs in heat when they meet each other, haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good review, Joel&#8230; I actually prefer Lewis&#8217;s <i>The Big Combo</i> to <i>Gun Crazy</i>, but I like the rawness of this picture rather well. Peggy Cummins is quite terrific; this is one case where I think &#8220;softening&#8221; her works in the film&#8217;s favor, as she&#8217;s portrayed as someone who almost can&#8217;t control herself. I think that speaks to the thematic current of the film: John Dall&#8217;s character controls himself to the point of finding himself unable to do what the woman of his dreams wants him to, and then finally when he has to, he kills her, making the ultimate choice of the film.</p>
<p>Seeing this with a huge crowd at the Castro is something of a treat. There are a lot of howler-worthy lines, both great and kind of overbaked, but it all sort of works in the film&#8217;s favor. Lewis later said he knew he was making a messy, somewhat unsightly melodrama. I like how he said he had the two leads act like a couple of dogs in heat when they meet each other, haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done review Joel. I&#039;m a fan of Gun Crazy also. I think the flaws from its low budget are made up for by the hard scrabble attitude with which the same low budget informs it.

I have to disagree with Films Noir to a point. Perhaps Gun Crazy is neat noir fit and perhaps its not, but to say it has noir pretentions makes it sound like noir was a defined genre at the time these films were made instead of a conventient categorization arrived at by later critics and historians to describe a related group of films. It&#039;s not like we&#039;re talking about westerns or musicals here. 

Noir has wide ranging definitions depending on who is doing the defining. So wide ranging that sometimes it&#039;s almost a meaningless categorization used for marketing DVDs. 

Gun Crazy is certainly in the noir orbit with two key elements, a kind of femme fatale and a flawed but generally decent man dragged down by his own libido. Even if it isn&#039;t a perfect fit, it takes nothing away from it being an edgy, visceral and in many ways terrific film.

(apologies if I&#039;m a late arrival to this whole noir discussion and covering previously worn territory...I&#039;ve been indisposed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done review Joel. I&#8217;m a fan of Gun Crazy also. I think the flaws from its low budget are made up for by the hard scrabble attitude with which the same low budget informs it.</p>
<p>I have to disagree with Films Noir to a point. Perhaps Gun Crazy is neat noir fit and perhaps its not, but to say it has noir pretentions makes it sound like noir was a defined genre at the time these films were made instead of a conventient categorization arrived at by later critics and historians to describe a related group of films. It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re talking about westerns or musicals here. </p>
<p>Noir has wide ranging definitions depending on who is doing the defining. So wide ranging that sometimes it&#8217;s almost a meaningless categorization used for marketing DVDs. </p>
<p>Gun Crazy is certainly in the noir orbit with two key elements, a kind of femme fatale and a flawed but generally decent man dragged down by his own libido. Even if it isn&#8217;t a perfect fit, it takes nothing away from it being an edgy, visceral and in many ways terrific film.</p>
<p>(apologies if I&#8217;m a late arrival to this whole noir discussion and covering previously worn territory&#8230;I&#8217;ve been indisposed)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, &quot;films noir.&quot;  Joel&#039;s position (and my own for that matter) is that GUN CRAZY has noir elements that by their definition define the genre.  As Joel cites: the ill fated love affair and bleak elements are quintessentially noir, falling in line with a number of the genre&#039;s most celebrated entries.  The film, as you know, has been released in that terrific Volume 1 Film Noir set, which is graciously being awarded as the prize in a Movie Zeal conest being run by Evan, and all studies of the genre always place at the forefront of this &#039;movement.&#039;
   But you admit &#039;you are swimming against the tide.&#039;  As always though, your knowledge, judgement and passion for this style are expressed in your customary erudite and discerning style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, &#8220;films noir.&#8221;  Joel&#8217;s position (and my own for that matter) is that GUN CRAZY has noir elements that by their definition define the genre.  As Joel cites: the ill fated love affair and bleak elements are quintessentially noir, falling in line with a number of the genre&#8217;s most celebrated entries.  The film, as you know, has been released in that terrific Volume 1 Film Noir set, which is graciously being awarded as the prize in a Movie Zeal conest being run by Evan, and all studies of the genre always place at the forefront of this &#8216;movement.&#8217;<br />
   But you admit &#8216;you are swimming against the tide.&#8217;  As always though, your knowledge, judgement and passion for this style are expressed in your customary erudite and discerning style.</p>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A film can be a noir for any number of reasons, and on occasion simply because you can identify a noir sensibility, but on the other hand, you can identify noir elements in a movie but still conclude that it is not noir. 

In the case of Gun Crazy, I agree there are noir elements as I identified in my earlier comment, but the gestalt for me is less than noir, as it owes too much to the gangster flick of the 30&#039;s, and is intellectually shallow. 

I agree that it&#039;s perversity makes its hip like Tarantino is hip, but at bottom like Tarantino, it is an insubstantial pastiche that leaves me feeling empty and rather grubby.

In any event, I am swimming against the tide here: Borde &amp; Chaumeton, Godard, Naremore, Silver, and others wax lyrical about it. Though I suspect there is some intellectual &#039;chic&#039; at play and, if I may venture to say, a certain posturing or even hubris on the part of such pundits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A film can be a noir for any number of reasons, and on occasion simply because you can identify a noir sensibility, but on the other hand, you can identify noir elements in a movie but still conclude that it is not noir. </p>
<p>In the case of Gun Crazy, I agree there are noir elements as I identified in my earlier comment, but the gestalt for me is less than noir, as it owes too much to the gangster flick of the 30&#8217;s, and is intellectually shallow. </p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s perversity makes its hip like Tarantino is hip, but at bottom like Tarantino, it is an insubstantial pastiche that leaves me feeling empty and rather grubby.</p>
<p>In any event, I am swimming against the tide here: Borde &amp; Chaumeton, Godard, Naremore, Silver, and others wax lyrical about it. Though I suspect there is some intellectual &#8216;chic&#8217; at play and, if I may venture to say, a certain posturing or even hubris on the part of such pundits.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was stressing about just how noir Gun Crazy really is, but after reading Sam&#039;s entry I felt vindicated. I agree the movie isn&#039;t consistently noir  in visual style and it doesn&#039;t feature any private dicks, but I&#039;d argue that the I&#039;ll-fated love affair and bleak ending are classic noir elements. I&#039;d gladly argue in more detail, but typing on this cell is a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was stressing about just how noir Gun Crazy really is, but after reading Sam&#8217;s entry I felt vindicated. I agree the movie isn&#8217;t consistently noir  in visual style and it doesn&#8217;t feature any private dicks, but I&#8217;d argue that the I&#8217;ll-fated love affair and bleak ending are classic noir elements. I&#8217;d gladly argue in more detail, but typing on this cell is a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: films noir</title>
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		<dc:creator>films noir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good review Joel of a movie that fails - for me - to live up to the hype.

I greatly admire Lewis’s The Big Combo (1955), but Gun Crazy is a lesser work.  I am not sure it is even a film noir.

While there is a potent mix of sex and violence, layered with psycho-sexual motifs and fetishes, the narrative lacks tension and some scenes are very slow. Peggy Cummins is strong as the psychopathic urban gun-slinger, Laurie, but there is no depth or history to this woman who kills on reflex and with no remorse. The rest of the cast is ok only, and it is the director’s signature obsession with violence as a sexual psychosis that drives the story.

Gun Crazy is really a robbers-on-the run movie with noir pretensions, and these are only really evident in the climactic early morning shoot-out at the end in a fog-laden creek.  Bart, Cummins’ partner in crime, achieves some sort of redemption by shooting Laurie dead before she can kill two of his un-armed child-hood friends, one a deputy sheriff, who approach them  pleading that they give themselves up, after which he is killed in a hail of police bullets.  There is a tragic irony here: the man who is not a killer kills his reason for being.

The much-acclaimed long take inside the get-away car before, during, and after a bank robbery, is innovative for the period, but the action is flat until after the heist and they are pursued by the cops.

Low and high camera angles are used by Lewis to express mood and suggest sexual undercurrents, but if they operate on the audience, do so only unconsciously. While much has also been made of the ‘amour fou’ of the two protagonists, it is more an instinctual sexual attraction that is sustained on Laurie’s part by the sexual gratification that she achieves in their life crime.

Interesting historically and although it transcends its b origins, Gun Crazy is not a great movie. It’s cult status has more to do with the perversity of the theme and the performance of Cummins, than its merits as a film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good review Joel of a movie that fails &#8211; for me &#8211; to live up to the hype.</p>
<p>I greatly admire Lewis’s The Big Combo (1955), but Gun Crazy is a lesser work.  I am not sure it is even a film noir.</p>
<p>While there is a potent mix of sex and violence, layered with psycho-sexual motifs and fetishes, the narrative lacks tension and some scenes are very slow. Peggy Cummins is strong as the psychopathic urban gun-slinger, Laurie, but there is no depth or history to this woman who kills on reflex and with no remorse. The rest of the cast is ok only, and it is the director’s signature obsession with violence as a sexual psychosis that drives the story.</p>
<p>Gun Crazy is really a robbers-on-the run movie with noir pretensions, and these are only really evident in the climactic early morning shoot-out at the end in a fog-laden creek.  Bart, Cummins’ partner in crime, achieves some sort of redemption by shooting Laurie dead before she can kill two of his un-armed child-hood friends, one a deputy sheriff, who approach them  pleading that they give themselves up, after which he is killed in a hail of police bullets.  There is a tragic irony here: the man who is not a killer kills his reason for being.</p>
<p>The much-acclaimed long take inside the get-away car before, during, and after a bank robbery, is innovative for the period, but the action is flat until after the heist and they are pursued by the cops.</p>
<p>Low and high camera angles are used by Lewis to express mood and suggest sexual undercurrents, but if they operate on the audience, do so only unconsciously. While much has also been made of the ‘amour fou’ of the two protagonists, it is more an instinctual sexual attraction that is sustained on Laurie’s part by the sexual gratification that she achieves in their life crime.</p>
<p>Interesting historically and although it transcends its b origins, Gun Crazy is not a great movie. It’s cult status has more to do with the perversity of the theme and the performance of Cummins, than its merits as a film.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words. I&#039;m humbled by the talent on display for noir month and just happy to be a part of it. 

I normally reserve a full rating of stars for those rare perfect movies and while I definitively love Gun Crazy, I thought it had some slight weaknesses and rated it accordingly. I&#039;m hoping anyone that hasn&#039;t seen it will give a look though. I really like the audacity of Lewis&#039; direction and the film is a great reference point for Bonnie and Clyde.

I&#039;m posting from a mobile away from home so I&#039;ll keep it short but thanks everyone. I&#039;m in very impressive company here at Moviezeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words. I&#8217;m humbled by the talent on display for noir month and just happy to be a part of it. </p>
<p>I normally reserve a full rating of stars for those rare perfect movies and while I definitively love Gun Crazy, I thought it had some slight weaknesses and rated it accordingly. I&#8217;m hoping anyone that hasn&#8217;t seen it will give a look though. I really like the audacity of Lewis&#8217; direction and the film is a great reference point for Bonnie and Clyde.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m posting from a mobile away from home so I&#8217;ll keep it short but thanks everyone. I&#8217;m in very impressive company here at Moviezeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/gun-crazy/comment-page-1/#comment-8917</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m in the contingent that considers this one a masterpiece (though I admit it&#039;s been years since I last watched it). In terms of style and technique, it&#039;s wildly uneven, but I always considered that part of its unique, baroque charm. The Freudian sexual tension in this picture is dizzying. Definitely not a film for everyone, but judged by its own aesthetics, it&#039;s brilliant.

Nice work Joel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m in the contingent that considers this one a masterpiece (though I admit it&#8217;s been years since I last watched it). In terms of style and technique, it&#8217;s wildly uneven, but I always considered that part of its unique, baroque charm. The Freudian sexual tension in this picture is dizzying. Definitely not a film for everyone, but judged by its own aesthetics, it&#8217;s brilliant.</p>
<p>Nice work Joel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Juliano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Juliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite agree with this stellar consideration of a minor gem in the film noir arsenal, and I commend Joel on a very fine and astute piece of writing.  I particularly appreciated his wonderful recapitulation of GUN CRAZY&#039;s most brvura sequence, and agree that it&#039;s &quot;pure cinema.&quot;

I have no issue for the 4/5 rating either.  I think it&#039;s dead-on myself.  But there is a sizable contingent out there that believes the film to be a genre masterpiece, and they make a strong case.

I agree with Evan that Joel is extremely gifted, and should have his own site.  But who am I to talk?  I could never handle those vigours; I let all the others do the work. he he he.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite agree with this stellar consideration of a minor gem in the film noir arsenal, and I commend Joel on a very fine and astute piece of writing.  I particularly appreciated his wonderful recapitulation of GUN CRAZY&#8217;s most brvura sequence, and agree that it&#8217;s &#8220;pure cinema.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have no issue for the 4/5 rating either.  I think it&#8217;s dead-on myself.  But there is a sizable contingent out there that believes the film to be a genre masterpiece, and they make a strong case.</p>
<p>I agree with Evan that Joel is extremely gifted, and should have his own site.  But who am I to talk?  I could never handle those vigours; I let all the others do the work. he he he.</p>
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