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	<title>Comments on: Bigger, Stronger, Faster*</title>
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	<description>The official podcast of MovieZeal.com, where film is always best discussed under the gentle influence of fine wine (as fine as $10 will get you). Each week Evan, Heather, and Luke pick a theme, discuss a theatrical release based on that theme, pop the cork and drink a wine that fits said theme, and finally subject one another to The Gauntlet, where forcing others to watch painful films nets you fabulous prizes. There is not anything else on the internets like it (literally).</description>
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		<title>By: [review]: Bigger, Stronger, Faster* &#171; &#8230;yet made of stars</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/bigger-stronger-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-36273</link>
		<dc:creator>[review]: Bigger, Stronger, Faster* &#171; &#8230;yet made of stars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Collin</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/bigger-stronger-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-6459</link>
		<dc:creator>Collin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the trailer for this a while back and was really interested.  Now I&#039;m just pumped (pun fully intended).  Thanks for a great review, Luke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the trailer for this a while back and was really interested.  Now I&#8217;m just pumped (pun fully intended).  Thanks for a great review, Luke.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/bigger-stronger-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-6454</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Luke, but don&#039;t sell your excellent review short! There&#039;s no right or wrong way to write about documentaries - you just take what struck you and roll with it. BSF was a fun movie to watch and think about.

I think this is going to do well on DVD since it had such a short theater run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Luke, but don&#8217;t sell your excellent review short! There&#8217;s no right or wrong way to write about documentaries &#8211; you just take what struck you and roll with it. BSF was a fun movie to watch and think about.</p>
<p>I think this is going to do well on DVD since it had such a short theater run.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting, Thadd, but even the biggest steroids advocates that Bell interviews in this film say that kids in high school shouldn&#039;t use them. (Their bodies are still developing, etc., etc....) He also interviews &quot;the guy who won the Tour de France after Lance Armstrong,&quot; Floyd Landis -- who still maintains his innocence (even though he has no hope of having his title reinstated).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting, Thadd, but even the biggest steroids advocates that Bell interviews in this film say that kids in high school shouldn&#8217;t use them. (Their bodies are still developing, etc., etc&#8230;.) He also interviews &#8220;the guy who won the Tour de France after Lance Armstrong,&#8221; Floyd Landis &#8212; who still maintains his innocence (even though he has no hope of having his title reinstated).</p>
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		<title>By: Thadd Harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/bigger-stronger-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-6444</link>
		<dc:creator>Thadd Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steroid use is actually the reason I didn&#039;t wrestle my senior year. There was so much pressure on the team to use steroids I didn&#039;t think I could stay away from it. I get so tired of looking up to an athlete only to find out that they cheated to get where they were, Chris Benoit and the guy who won the Tour de France after Lance Armstrong just to name the first two to come to mind. I&#039;m really glad to see that someone actually cares about this issue, unlike the mainstream media who only cares about it when it&#039;s controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steroid use is actually the reason I didn&#8217;t wrestle my senior year. There was so much pressure on the team to use steroids I didn&#8217;t think I could stay away from it. I get so tired of looking up to an athlete only to find out that they cheated to get where they were, Chris Benoit and the guy who won the Tour de France after Lance Armstrong just to name the first two to come to mind. I&#8217;m really glad to see that someone actually cares about this issue, unlike the mainstream media who only cares about it when it&#8217;s controversial.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Harrington</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/bigger-stronger-faster/comment-page-1/#comment-6414</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, I also approve of your comic. :) You can&#039;t see it on the poster, but the tagline for the film is, &quot;Is it still cheating if everyone&#039;s doing it?&quot; I don&#039;t remember excessive Adderall use when I was in high school, but then again, I&#039;ve always been pretty naive and out-of-it.

Evan, Bell really is a talented filmmaker. The editing in this film is pure gold. It&#039;s not surprising to me to learn he graduated from USC&#039;s film school (he mentioned USC in the movie, but not film school specifically -- I should have put two and two together).

You both make good points about drug use...I tend to think there&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with any drug, as long as it&#039;s used with good judgment -- but then, drug use tends to impair judgment, so that&#039;s kind of a paradox, isn&#039;t it? (I didn&#039;t mention it in my review, but there&#039;s a segment in this film about the U.S. Air Force -- apparently pilots in it are &lt;i&gt;required&lt;/i&gt; to take amphetamines, which have been implicated in at least one scandal, in which some pilots in Iraq attacked friendly Canadian troops. Go fig.)

Daniel, I&#039;ll have to take your word about docs, as I haven&#039;t gotten around to catching too many of them this year (I&#039;ve been busy with classics like &lt;i&gt;Shutter&lt;/i&gt;). In fact, I think the only one I&#039;ve caught besides this one is &lt;i&gt;Expelled,&lt;/i&gt; and obviously, this one blew that one out of the water in terms of quality. But I read your review of this one just now (somehow I missed it when you published it), and it was quite good. (Actually I think you captured the feel of the film a lot better than I did...but now I&#039;m just sucking up. :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, I also approve of your comic. <img src='http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  You can&#8217;t see it on the poster, but the tagline for the film is, &#8220;Is it still cheating if everyone&#8217;s doing it?&#8221; I don&#8217;t remember excessive Adderall use when I was in high school, but then again, I&#8217;ve always been pretty naive and out-of-it.</p>
<p>Evan, Bell really is a talented filmmaker. The editing in this film is pure gold. It&#8217;s not surprising to me to learn he graduated from USC&#8217;s film school (he mentioned USC in the movie, but not film school specifically &#8212; I should have put two and two together).</p>
<p>You both make good points about drug use&#8230;I tend to think there&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with any drug, as long as it&#8217;s used with good judgment &#8212; but then, drug use tends to impair judgment, so that&#8217;s kind of a paradox, isn&#8217;t it? (I didn&#8217;t mention it in my review, but there&#8217;s a segment in this film about the U.S. Air Force &#8212; apparently pilots in it are <i>required</i> to take amphetamines, which have been implicated in at least one scandal, in which some pilots in Iraq attacked friendly Canadian troops. Go fig.)</p>
<p>Daniel, I&#8217;ll have to take your word about docs, as I haven&#8217;t gotten around to catching too many of them this year (I&#8217;ve been busy with classics like <i>Shutter</i>). In fact, I think the only one I&#8217;ve caught besides this one is <i>Expelled,</i> and obviously, this one blew that one out of the water in terms of quality. But I read your review of this one just now (somehow I missed it when you published it), and it was quite good. (Actually I think you captured the feel of the film a lot better than I did&#8230;but now I&#8217;m just sucking up. <img src='http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one, Luke - 5 stars! Well I gave it an &quot;A&quot; and last time it checked it was at a 40+ 100% on RT, so it&#039;s not that surprising. Still, there have so many other ridiculously good documentaries this year that BSF some how hasn&#039;t bumped its way into my top 5.

I appreciated how Bell didn&#039;t take the Michael Moore/Morgan Spurlock route. He was honest and humble. I read an interview with Bell before it came out here but now I forget what the publication was. Anyway, he&#039;s a USC film school grad and is taking this for real - good for all of us.

Best scenes - Waxman&#039;s meltdown and the in-house supplement making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one, Luke &#8211; 5 stars! Well I gave it an &#8220;A&#8221; and last time it checked it was at a 40+ 100% on RT, so it&#8217;s not that surprising. Still, there have so many other ridiculously good documentaries this year that BSF some how hasn&#8217;t bumped its way into my top 5.</p>
<p>I appreciated how Bell didn&#8217;t take the Michael Moore/Morgan Spurlock route. He was honest and humble. I read an interview with Bell before it came out here but now I forget what the publication was. Anyway, he&#8217;s a USC film school grad and is taking this for real &#8211; good for all of us.</p>
<p>Best scenes &#8211; Waxman&#8217;s meltdown and the in-house supplement making.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That comic is both hilarious and a piercing observation. 

My interest has definitely been piqued, Luke (how could it not be?). 

From what you say, it sounds like Bell is a filmmaker of consummate skill. Where, indeed, did this guy come from? Here&#039;s hoping he manages to extend his career with equally insightful works in the future. 

And Nathan, no quick answers to your questions, but on a practical level, there is a great difference between caffeine and steroids. No one can successfully argue that those two are on the same level (I dare you to try).

However, from a moral perspective (like you prefaced your list with), the two are really no different. You are using a drug (one that you can be addicted to) to enhance your performance in some way. The extent to which users are affected is completely different based on which drug is used, but the challenge then comes down to drawing a line. Both caffeine and steroids are drugs. Both enhance your body/mind in some way. Both are addictive. Both can have negative side effects. So where do you draw the line? What is the objective standard we hold up that tells us one drug is OK while another is not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That comic is both hilarious and a piercing observation. </p>
<p>My interest has definitely been piqued, Luke (how could it not be?). </p>
<p>From what you say, it sounds like Bell is a filmmaker of consummate skill. Where, indeed, did this guy come from? Here&#8217;s hoping he manages to extend his career with equally insightful works in the future. </p>
<p>And Nathan, no quick answers to your questions, but on a practical level, there is a great difference between caffeine and steroids. No one can successfully argue that those two are on the same level (I dare you to try).</p>
<p>However, from a moral perspective (like you prefaced your list with), the two are really no different. You are using a drug (one that you can be addicted to) to enhance your performance in some way. The extent to which users are affected is completely different based on which drug is used, but the challenge then comes down to drawing a line. Both caffeine and steroids are drugs. Both enhance your body/mind in some way. Both are addictive. Both can have negative side effects. So where do you draw the line? What is the objective standard we hold up that tells us one drug is OK while another is not?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Keltner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Keltner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathan Keltner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Keltner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review, Luke.  This sounds like the kind of film I would thoroughly enjoy.

How many on this blog went to school at a time were student drug use for performance reasons was prevalent?  Having only very limited experience with the &quot;bigger, faster, stronger&quot; crowd, I can&#039;t relate a ton there, but I know adderall usage was *rampant* while I was in school.  From speaking to some friends&#039; younger siblings, I know it hasn&#039;t trended I wonder how many of the crowds booing at Barry Bonds have been guilty of the same crime?  Is it primarily the older folks rather than the younger?

And, assuming the booing is less prevalent among the younger generation -- what&#039;s that say about the future of competition as our generation continues to grow older?

And to raise it to even another level: disregarding the legality question and discussing morality only, how and where is the line drawn between the below?

- Tylenol to make it easier to go back to being a mom or a dad
- Ibuprofen to make it easier to swing a tennis racket
- drinking coffee to make your more productive in the AM
- Adderall to help you study for the exam
- Alcohol to help relax at the end of a long day
- Steroids to let you hit a baseball farther
- Marijuana because you&#039;re bored
- etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, Luke.  This sounds like the kind of film I would thoroughly enjoy.</p>
<p>How many on this blog went to school at a time were student drug use for performance reasons was prevalent?  Having only very limited experience with the &#8220;bigger, faster, stronger&#8221; crowd, I can&#8217;t relate a ton there, but I know adderall usage was *rampant* while I was in school.  From speaking to some friends&#8217; younger siblings, I know it hasn&#8217;t trended I wonder how many of the crowds booing at Barry Bonds have been guilty of the same crime?  Is it primarily the older folks rather than the younger?</p>
<p>And, assuming the booing is less prevalent among the younger generation &#8212; what&#8217;s that say about the future of competition as our generation continues to grow older?</p>
<p>And to raise it to even another level: disregarding the legality question and discussing morality only, how and where is the line drawn between the below?</p>
<p>- Tylenol to make it easier to go back to being a mom or a dad<br />
- Ibuprofen to make it easier to swing a tennis racket<br />
- drinking coffee to make your more productive in the AM<br />
- Adderall to help you study for the exam<br />
- Alcohol to help relax at the end of a long day<br />
- Steroids to let you hit a baseball farther<br />
- Marijuana because you&#8217;re bored<br />
- etc.</p>
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