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	<description>The official podcast of MovieZeal.com, where film is always best discussed under the gentle influence of fine wine (as fine as $10 will get you). Each week Evan, Heather, and Luke pick a theme, discuss a theatrical release based on that theme, pop the cork and drink a wine that fits said theme, and finally subject one another to The Gauntlet, where forcing others to watch painful films nets you fabulous prizes. There is not anything else on the internets like it (literally).</description>
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		<title>By: Los Angeles Kings Drew Doughty Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Los Angeles Kings Drew Doughty Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome sharing, very insightful. I like it a lot. I come acoss this blog by google search engine. I would visit your site weekly and recommend it to my pals. Please keep it fresh. Keep on the good work. - A friend from abroad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome sharing, very insightful. I like it a lot. I come acoss this blog by google search engine. I would visit your site weekly and recommend it to my pals. Please keep it fresh. Keep on the good work. &#8211; A friend from abroad</p>
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		<title>By: W.T. burge</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.T. burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way.....That is Bartons soul in the box........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way&#8230;..That is Bartons soul in the box&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: W.T. burge</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.T. burge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 03:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have watched this one a dozen times and still find new things in it. (the shadow of the pencil on the paper, The bell)I myself find it capivating. I knew Jhon goodman was the devil the first time. My god is it that hard to get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have watched this one a dozen times and still find new things in it. (the shadow of the pencil on the paper, The bell)I myself find it capivating. I knew Jhon goodman was the devil the first time. My god is it that hard to get?</p>
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		<title>By: Fletch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this one, Evan.  The funny thing is, I enjoy watching the movie.  I think the trick is that I just turn my brain off immediately after doing so just to avoid the feelings of being messed with that you also dislike.  This isn&#039;t something I usually do, but I think I give the Coens a free pass because the journey more than makes up for the destination (the oddball characters and happenings keep it lively).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one, Evan.  The funny thing is, I enjoy watching the movie.  I think the trick is that I just turn my brain off immediately after doing so just to avoid the feelings of being messed with that you also dislike.  This isn&#8217;t something I usually do, but I think I give the Coens a free pass because the journey more than makes up for the destination (the oddball characters and happenings keep it lively).</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, even though I didn&#039;t like the film, I have no problem with anyone who loves it. It&#039;s just not my cup of tea (all that ambiguity and &#039;messing with you&#039; that you dig? I can&#039;t stand it :) ). 

I&#039;ll actually be really interested to see your interpretation of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, even though I didn&#8217;t like the film, I have no problem with anyone who loves it. It&#8217;s just not my cup of tea (all that ambiguity and &#8216;messing with you&#8217; that you dig? I can&#8217;t stand it <img src='http://www.moviezeal.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll actually be really interested to see your interpretation of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Olson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan, you&#039;re killing me here ... I LOVE Barton Fink, ambiguity and all ... of course, the fact that turturro&#039;s character is a jerk is the point, it just drips with irony of wanting to treat with dignity the &quot;common man&quot; and then not listening to him ... 

The hallway IS kubrickian, and of course, that&#039;s the point as well ... bringing to mind another haunted hotel in another movie where the ghosts are in the mind -- perhaps -- of the protagonist, life of the mind indeed

I don&#039;t pretend to have it all deciphered, either, but I love the fact that the Coen&#039;s do some things just to mess with us ... did you notice that the biblical passage Barton first turns to says it&#039;s Daniel 2:30, but it&#039;s not ... it&#039;s 2:5. Why?  who knows, except to mess with us.  Godard used to do that, he used to do things in films just to irritate us.  I like that.

Anyway, I&#039;ll be saying more about Barton Fink in my contribution to this month&#039;s festivities at your site, which I&#039;ll have done Real Soon Now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, you&#8217;re killing me here &#8230; I LOVE Barton Fink, ambiguity and all &#8230; of course, the fact that turturro&#8217;s character is a jerk is the point, it just drips with irony of wanting to treat with dignity the &#8220;common man&#8221; and then not listening to him &#8230; </p>
<p>The hallway IS kubrickian, and of course, that&#8217;s the point as well &#8230; bringing to mind another haunted hotel in another movie where the ghosts are in the mind &#8212; perhaps &#8212; of the protagonist, life of the mind indeed</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to have it all deciphered, either, but I love the fact that the Coen&#8217;s do some things just to mess with us &#8230; did you notice that the biblical passage Barton first turns to says it&#8217;s Daniel 2:30, but it&#8217;s not &#8230; it&#8217;s 2:5. Why?  who knows, except to mess with us.  Godard used to do that, he used to do things in films just to irritate us.  I like that.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll be saying more about Barton Fink in my contribution to this month&#8217;s festivities at your site, which I&#8217;ll have done Real Soon Now.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughts, Joel. You know, as I was watching this, I was thinking, &quot;I don&#039;t get it at all, and I don&#039;t really want to spend any more time than necessary &#039;trying&#039; to get it, but I bet Joel has some interesting thoughts on the subject.&quot;

To be honest, I can totally see why you would like this film. There is plenty to chew on and mull over. As you said, the cinematography (and art direction) are gorgeous and really set the tone well. 

&quot;I don&#039;t know. I can&#039;t explain why I like Barton Fink anymore than I can explain why I like Inland Empire.&quot; That, I think, sums it up perfectly. Similar to Raising Arizona, you get it or you don&#039;t, plain and simple. You get this one. I don&#039;t. &#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughts, Joel. You know, as I was watching this, I was thinking, &#8220;I don&#8217;t get it at all, and I don&#8217;t really want to spend any more time than necessary &#8216;trying&#8217; to get it, but I bet Joel has some interesting thoughts on the subject.&#8221;</p>
<p>To be honest, I can totally see why you would like this film. There is plenty to chew on and mull over. As you said, the cinematography (and art direction) are gorgeous and really set the tone well. </p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know. I can&#8217;t explain why I like Barton Fink anymore than I can explain why I like Inland Empire.&#8221; That, I think, sums it up perfectly. Similar to Raising Arizona, you get it or you don&#8217;t, plain and simple. You get this one. I don&#8217;t. &#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t seen this one, so I can&#039;t weigh in on the debate...but this is probably the best-written review I&#039;ve read in a long time.

And I have to follow this one. Crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen this one, so I can&#8217;t weigh in on the debate&#8230;but this is probably the best-written review I&#8217;ve read in a long time.</p>
<p>And I have to follow this one. Crap.</p>
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		<title>By: joel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting review, Evan. I clearly liked Barton Fink a lot more than you did, but I admit it&#039;s a very bizarre mix of elements that isn&#039;t easily explained or probably completely coherent.

It&#039;s curious you reference Kubrick and Lynch in your review. In many respects, I think Barton Fink probably lands somewhere on the furthest edge of the Coens&#039; filmography in that its narrative is the least literal of any film they&#039;ve made. To me, it broadly apes the more surreal cinema of David Lynch. 

The hotel itself starts out as a location but eventually transforms into a metaphor for Barton&#039;s sanity; the odd noises, the peeling wallpaper, that creepy hallway. The longer Barton stays in the hotel, the more nightmarish events there become. And Barton&#039;s real-world encounters become more and more awkward, his focus on his work and his writing less and less tangible to him.

Barton&#039;s sanity is slipping due to the writer&#039;s block, the pressures of the studio, and the lowly task of writing a wrestling picture. To be honest, I&#039;m not even sure if Charlie, Chet!, or the police detectives exist outside of Barton&#039;s subconscious. They may, they may not. I&#039;m not even completely sure the Coens could explain it all to you if they wanted to, and chances are they wouldn&#039;t.

I do love the performances and the visuals of the movie. I think Tuturro and Charlie are both interesting yet flawed characters. I love Shaloub and Lerner in their roles as well as Polito and Mahoney. Davis is good too, although her role isn&#039;t really fleshed-out. I love Deakins&#039; cinematography and the gorgeous production design.

The script makes short work of the studio mogul and his toady executives. Clearly the Coens have little love for the corporate structure of the studio system, yet it&#039;s ironic they went from this movie to the Hudsucker Proxy, their biggest budget studio film and their biggest box office dud up to that point. It&#039;s almost as though they were preparing for disappointment.

Barton Fink is a pretentious character, but he is like many of the playwrights and writers of his day, who believed themselves able to change the world through the power of their creative voice. A few did, but most simply tabulated what they saw with little consequence beyond literary fame and fortune. Barton is a fool in many respects, but I kind of understand his earnest, left-wing desire to &quot;fix&quot; the world for the &quot;common man.&quot; 

He goes to Hollywood thinking it will be easy work, funding his more important projects, only to realize he has no interest or inspiration for the film biz and that he has unwittingly sold his soul and his career to the studio. It&#039;s a tragic story. 

I don&#039;t know. I can&#039;t explain why I like Barton Fink anymore than I can explain why I like Inland Empire.  I think both are imperfect films that are truly subjective in their charms (or lack thereof).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting review, Evan. I clearly liked Barton Fink a lot more than you did, but I admit it&#8217;s a very bizarre mix of elements that isn&#8217;t easily explained or probably completely coherent.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s curious you reference Kubrick and Lynch in your review. In many respects, I think Barton Fink probably lands somewhere on the furthest edge of the Coens&#8217; filmography in that its narrative is the least literal of any film they&#8217;ve made. To me, it broadly apes the more surreal cinema of David Lynch. </p>
<p>The hotel itself starts out as a location but eventually transforms into a metaphor for Barton&#8217;s sanity; the odd noises, the peeling wallpaper, that creepy hallway. The longer Barton stays in the hotel, the more nightmarish events there become. And Barton&#8217;s real-world encounters become more and more awkward, his focus on his work and his writing less and less tangible to him.</p>
<p>Barton&#8217;s sanity is slipping due to the writer&#8217;s block, the pressures of the studio, and the lowly task of writing a wrestling picture. To be honest, I&#8217;m not even sure if Charlie, Chet!, or the police detectives exist outside of Barton&#8217;s subconscious. They may, they may not. I&#8217;m not even completely sure the Coens could explain it all to you if they wanted to, and chances are they wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I do love the performances and the visuals of the movie. I think Tuturro and Charlie are both interesting yet flawed characters. I love Shaloub and Lerner in their roles as well as Polito and Mahoney. Davis is good too, although her role isn&#8217;t really fleshed-out. I love Deakins&#8217; cinematography and the gorgeous production design.</p>
<p>The script makes short work of the studio mogul and his toady executives. Clearly the Coens have little love for the corporate structure of the studio system, yet it&#8217;s ironic they went from this movie to the Hudsucker Proxy, their biggest budget studio film and their biggest box office dud up to that point. It&#8217;s almost as though they were preparing for disappointment.</p>
<p>Barton Fink is a pretentious character, but he is like many of the playwrights and writers of his day, who believed themselves able to change the world through the power of their creative voice. A few did, but most simply tabulated what they saw with little consequence beyond literary fame and fortune. Barton is a fool in many respects, but I kind of understand his earnest, left-wing desire to &#8220;fix&#8221; the world for the &#8220;common man.&#8221; </p>
<p>He goes to Hollywood thinking it will be easy work, funding his more important projects, only to realize he has no interest or inspiration for the film biz and that he has unwittingly sold his soul and his career to the studio. It&#8217;s a tragic story. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I can&#8217;t explain why I like Barton Fink anymore than I can explain why I like Inland Empire.  I think both are imperfect films that are truly subjective in their charms (or lack thereof).</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, perhaps because so many of their other films are so enjoyable (either on a purely &#039;fun&#039; level [Raising Arizona] or on an intellectual one [Miller&#039;s Crossing]), I reacted so strongly to the relative inactivity present in Fink. Near the hour mark, when the &#039;murder&#039; occurs, I thought the film was finally moving somewhere, only to run smack into a religious crazed dead end.

I can see what you&#039;re saying, how &#039;exorcising&#039; their writer&#039;s block came up with an interesting, bizarre little film. It is, if nothing else, ambitious, and they should be given props for being unafraid to try something new. 

I imagine a second viewing would be much more enlightening, but I don&#039;t know if I can muster the energy to see it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, perhaps because so many of their other films are so enjoyable (either on a purely &#8216;fun&#8217; level [Raising Arizona] or on an intellectual one [Miller's Crossing]), I reacted so strongly to the relative inactivity present in Fink. Near the hour mark, when the &#8216;murder&#8217; occurs, I thought the film was finally moving somewhere, only to run smack into a religious crazed dead end.</p>
<p>I can see what you&#8217;re saying, how &#8216;exorcising&#8217; their writer&#8217;s block came up with an interesting, bizarre little film. It is, if nothing else, ambitious, and they should be given props for being unafraid to try something new. </p>
<p>I imagine a second viewing would be much more enlightening, but I don&#8217;t know if I can muster the energy to see it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t pretend that Barton Fink is the easiest Coen film to sit down and enjoy and I won&#039;t pretend to have ever completely solved the puzzle it presents, but I love it anyway.

I&#039;ve always thought of the hotel as representing the inside of Fink&#039;s head. It&#039;s all about the life of the mind and Fink is stuck there, thinking instead of feeling and it&#039;s killing his art.

I&#039;ve given a lot of thought to what&#039;s in the box and if it&#039;s really a head whether it means anything or if it&#039;s just kind of a twisted Coen joke.

In this case, I think the exorcism of writer&#039;s block made a dark, twisted and terrific little film. Sometimes when you&#039;re clogged up, you just have to write without thinking too much about it. Fink never could, but I think the Coens did and that&#039;s how the movie was born.

I&#039;m rambling and talking in circles now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t pretend that Barton Fink is the easiest Coen film to sit down and enjoy and I won&#8217;t pretend to have ever completely solved the puzzle it presents, but I love it anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought of the hotel as representing the inside of Fink&#8217;s head. It&#8217;s all about the life of the mind and Fink is stuck there, thinking instead of feeling and it&#8217;s killing his art.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve given a lot of thought to what&#8217;s in the box and if it&#8217;s really a head whether it means anything or if it&#8217;s just kind of a twisted Coen joke.</p>
<p>In this case, I think the exorcism of writer&#8217;s block made a dark, twisted and terrific little film. Sometimes when you&#8217;re clogged up, you just have to write without thinking too much about it. Fink never could, but I think the Coens did and that&#8217;s how the movie was born.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rambling and talking in circles now.</p>
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