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	<title>Comments on: The Coen Twist on No Country</title>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
		<link>http://www.moviezeal.com/2008/04/30/the-coen-twist-on-no-country/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're probably right, Craig. There is no reason to think that she didn't die, and every reason to think that she did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re probably right, Craig. There is no reason to think that she didn&#8217;t die, and every reason to think that she did.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure how I would've felt about the movie if I'd read the book first, to be honest. Seeing the movie first, the book simply enriched the experience.

I didn't miss not having Bell's backstory, nor did I mind the additional action. Movies move. You have to have action to make them work. Not a hard and fast rule, but it's a good general principle.

As to the question of Carla Jean's fate, if you take the movie by itself (and there's no reason not to), her survival is debatable. I toyed for a while with the idea that she lived and that her defiance of Chigurh so unsettled him that it led to his 'accident', but I've backed away from that. I now think she died because there's no reason to think she didn't. Everything we know about Chigurh leads us to believe he did exactly what he said he was going to do.

But, as Evan says, it almost doesn't matter. Her defiance is what counts. She defied him believing she would die if she did.

Finally, thanks Evan for asking me to participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how I would&#8217;ve felt about the movie if I&#8217;d read the book first, to be honest. Seeing the movie first, the book simply enriched the experience.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t miss not having Bell&#8217;s backstory, nor did I mind the additional action. Movies move. You have to have action to make them work. Not a hard and fast rule, but it&#8217;s a good general principle.</p>
<p>As to the question of Carla Jean&#8217;s fate, if you take the movie by itself (and there&#8217;s no reason not to), her survival is debatable. I toyed for a while with the idea that she lived and that her defiance of Chigurh so unsettled him that it led to his &#8216;accident&#8217;, but I&#8217;ve backed away from that. I now think she died because there&#8217;s no reason to think she didn&#8217;t. Everything we know about Chigurh leads us to believe he did exactly what he said he was going to do.</p>
<p>But, as Evan says, it almost doesn&#8217;t matter. Her defiance is what counts. She defied him believing she would die if she did.</p>
<p>Finally, thanks Evan for asking me to participate.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent insights here, Craig, as I would expect. I didn't read the book, but my brother did, and he was not at all happy with the movie. Part of it has to do with the Bell narrative, and part of it has to do with other details (no dog chase in the book). 

That being said, it was still my best of last year, and I don't feel like I missed out on much. It was still a tightly wound story that seemed right at home on the screen. 

Regarding Carla Jean, I thought it was just assumed from the simple shot of Chigurh checking his shoes that he had in fact killed her, and I too loved how it was inferred and not shown, Evan (like a number of the scenes). I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just didn't consider the possibility that she was still alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent insights here, Craig, as I would expect. I didn&#8217;t read the book, but my brother did, and he was not at all happy with the movie. Part of it has to do with the Bell narrative, and part of it has to do with other details (no dog chase in the book). </p>
<p>That being said, it was still my best of last year, and I don&#8217;t feel like I missed out on much. It was still a tightly wound story that seemed right at home on the screen. </p>
<p>Regarding Carla Jean, I thought it was just assumed from the simple shot of Chigurh checking his shoes that he had in fact killed her, and I too loved how it was inferred and not shown, Evan (like a number of the scenes). I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re wrong, but I just didn&#8217;t consider the possibility that she was still alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along with &lt;a href="http://www.moviezeal.com/2008/04/28/the-coen-brothers-and-the-spirit-of-chaos/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rick&lt;/a&gt;, you're the second one to suggest that Chigurh kills Carla Jean. Going from the text of the book, it sounds as if it is explicitly laid out, but I felt this was one of the Big Unanswered Questions of the film (along with whether or not Sheriff Bell knows that Chigurh is in the hotel room when he investigates). 

Since, as you say, the Coens have subverted some of the novel in their adaptation, going strictly from the film, could a case be made that Chigurh doesn't kill Carla Jean? You can see the brief look of confusion and frustration when she refuses to play along with his game, to play by his internal rules of logic. Is it feasible that this threw Chigurh off enough to spare her? 

As Rick mentioned in his excellent article, Chigurh operates on his own twisted internal logic that is apparent only to himself. Since his internal logic is so convoluted, isn't it possible that in sparing her, he's only demonstrating another facet of his complex MO? 

In truth, I think that whether or not he kills her isn't the important part. As you so clearly lay out, Craig, the important part is that she stands up to him, the lone voice of courage in a bleak landscape. Equally important, I think, is that the Coens don't show what happens. Their silence on the matter speaks much louder than if they had actually shown us what happens. 

Great work here, Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with <a href="http://www.moviezeal.com/2008/04/28/the-coen-brothers-and-the-spirit-of-chaos/" rel="nofollow">Rick</a>, you&#8217;re the second one to suggest that Chigurh kills Carla Jean. Going from the text of the book, it sounds as if it is explicitly laid out, but I felt this was one of the Big Unanswered Questions of the film (along with whether or not Sheriff Bell knows that Chigurh is in the hotel room when he investigates). </p>
<p>Since, as you say, the Coens have subverted some of the novel in their adaptation, going strictly from the film, could a case be made that Chigurh doesn&#8217;t kill Carla Jean? You can see the brief look of confusion and frustration when she refuses to play along with his game, to play by his internal rules of logic. Is it feasible that this threw Chigurh off enough to spare her? </p>
<p>As Rick mentioned in his excellent article, Chigurh operates on his own twisted internal logic that is apparent only to himself. Since his internal logic is so convoluted, isn&#8217;t it possible that in sparing her, he&#8217;s only demonstrating another facet of his complex MO? </p>
<p>In truth, I think that whether or not he kills her isn&#8217;t the important part. As you so clearly lay out, Craig, the important part is that she stands up to him, the lone voice of courage in a bleak landscape. Equally important, I think, is that the Coens don&#8217;t show what happens. Their silence on the matter speaks much louder than if they had actually shown us what happens. </p>
<p>Great work here, Craig.</p>
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